http://www.idkfa.com/v3 idkfa: syndicated http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1585 In the end: it's a pretty movie, and that's all. I fiiught for da userrrrr. Scrotor@idkfa.com (Scrotor) Cognitive Surplus Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:37:38 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1585 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1578 Spoiler Alert: More from the Penny Arcade guys: Other thoughts I had: If Encom had computers 20+ years ago that were capable of "digitizing" atomic structures, why was this technology not more prevalent in current day? Why was Encom just a generic Microsoft-esque corporation with its shoddy operating system as its only apparent product? It's not like the company's intellectual capital disappeared with Flynn. Same goes for Encom's patents on hardware technology capable of storing the complexity of atomic structures digitally. If that kind of technology was available 20+ years ago, why would the computers they depicted in the real world represent anything we have today? Flynn wasn't really the creator of the Tron universe, at least the first one. He was a user, and while he was definitely a user with a better understanding of the system than anyone else, he was still just some guy who got laid off because he was caught hacking Encom's existing system. He only knew about the games he'd played in the arcade before he entered the Tron world, everything else was foreign to him (his interactions with the programs, the electricity-as-water, how to steer the recognizer, his powers as a user, etc.) As for being the creator of the second Tron universe, his mistake in getting trapped in the system only speaks to his unfamiliarity with the system. Why he was depicted as a somewhat-deity with special powers when he was just a user for the system he had been playing with... I just don't know. Let's assume the writers meant anything when they had the first lines as "The Grid. A digital frontier. I tried to picture clusters of information as they traveled through the computer. Ships, motorcycles. With the circuits like freeways. I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see." I interpret that to mean that Flynn (or somebody) wrote the second Tron universe to be both the simulation of kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Cognitive Surplus Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:21:18 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1578 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1577 Spoiler Alert... I felt the exact same way. He kept saying that he found them there in that "land" or whatever inside the computer. But how would he find something already existing within something that didn't exist until he created it? And then to add to that confusion... At the end when he clapped his hands and made the entire computer world disappear, what was left behind looked like a deserted planet. Meaning there was a land there before he created that world. Which again doesn't make sense. I think this whole issue was the main thing that felt lacking in the movie to me. Otherwise... I did think it was a fun movie to watch if you weren't expecting a tight plot line. haha. CapitolZebra@idkfa.com (CapitolZebra) Cognitive Surplus Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:52:03 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1577 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1575 Spoiler Alert: The "isos" were the weakest part of the film for me. Well, one of the weakest parts. They're pretty much entirely the reason why I tell people that Tron: Legacy really isn't about computers at all. The isos were a plot device that made no sense. Programs that are somehow created spontaneously without interaction, foreknowledge, or action on the part of the programmer? It's the exact same thing they did in I, Robot, with the "random bits of code." They wanted a magical explanation to spoon-feed to audiences that at once would hand-wave any non-technical questions ("Why would a robot have feelings?") and also sidestepping any technically pertinent questions ("What purpose would feelings serve in a robot?"). To me, it's like the writers were saying "We don't know either." kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Cognitive Surplus Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:54:45 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1575 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1572 We re-watched the original Tron and then went to see it during the midnight showing with a large group of other nerd friends. The event that it ended up being was quite fun. And the movie itself was definitely enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing to watch. Though, I felt the story line did leave a bit to be desired. I understand it is scifi and one has to be willing to accept the tissue thin reality that goes along with watching a movie about a man who is running around in a computer program. But I felt like there were a few components to the plot that could have been a bit tighter. When we walked out, every one of us kept asking what the "iso's" really were. We didn't understand. Can anyone here explain that to me? Spoiler Alert, in case you haven't seen it... On a side note, I really thought it would be amusing if when they got out at the end, she actually turned out to just be a computer chip or memory chip. haha. I guess that's just my twisted humor. CapitolZebra@idkfa.com (CapitolZebra) Cognitive Surplus Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:05:40 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1572 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1471 It had many issues, but was still an overall enjoyable film if you don't think too hard about it. Scrotor@idkfa.com (Scrotor) Cognitive Surplus Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:41:21 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1471 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1468 looking forward to seeing it! i think i'm going on sunday. kitacek@idkfa.com (kitacek) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:05:42 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1468 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1467 Mmmmm Olivia Wilde Exile@idkfa.com (Exile) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:52:11 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1467 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1466 Just like a digital world within a physical one? Exile@idkfa.com (Exile) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:49:38 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1466 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1465 Plans within plans. :) kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:33:54 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1465 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1464 Did you post this so I don't call you and wake you up on your day off? Governator@idkfa.com (Governator) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:18:08 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1464 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1463 I liked Tron: Legacy a whole lot. Maybe not a compelling or gripping film, but fun, and a fun artistic imagining of what a computer system that can think might eventually become. kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Cognitive Surplus Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:07:46 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=1463&msg_id=1463