http://www.idkfa.com/v3 idkfa: syndicated http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4901 Precisely. kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Indiscernible from Magic Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:19:51 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4901 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4900 you mean like how kids know it as the save button, and not the button that looks like a floppy disk? kitacek@idkfa.com (kitacek) Indiscernible from Magic Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:18:39 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4900 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4898 They'll stick around for a while yet. But they'll eventually be thought of as "old" or "bulky" or "only for work stuff." I have a feeling the notion of "clicking" on something will eventually lose its meaning. Touch devices don't make a "clicking" sound, nor do they have a concept of a pointer or a reticle with which to focus what one is "clicking" upon. kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Indiscernible from Magic Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:44:20 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4898 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4896 yeah at this rate no kids will ever learn the glory of WASD+mouse control, especially since all the big first-person games seem to be shifting away from PC-only to consoles-oh-and-PCs-too kitacek@idkfa.com (kitacek) Indiscernible from Magic Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:56:35 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4896 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4894 I want to say I've heard of this guy before, or at least, read of other geek dads introducing their children to less GUI-fied interface while teaching them about computers. I love the concept, but, I have some serious internal conflict when I try to come down on whether I like this idea or not. Before I go further, yeah, you're totally right. My three year old nephew has zero patience for anything computer-y that isn't an iPad. He carries his sister's vTech laptop by the mouse, dragging it behind him as he runs around, screaming in jealous echolalia of his older sibling. I tried to demonstrate to him that every time you hit a letter, it says a word and displays the word/object on the screen that starts with the letter you press. He proceeded to just bang on the keyboard to see how fast he could get it to switch between responses. He's not much better with the iPad, but he knows damn well that he better treat it nice or Grandpa gets very, very angry. He still gets frustrated with Fruit Ninja occasionally and starts hitting it, but just the occasional slap, nothing like throwing the tablet. (He did figure out the "app deletion" hold-and-hit-the-wiggling-red-X feature of the iOS desktop. My sister came back to all of her apps deleted one day. There's hope yet.) My 6-year-old niece is a bit of a different story. Her reading comprehension is great, and she's velociraptor-smart when it comes to figuring out UIs, but she doesn't have the patience for some of the things. Kids, however, have the advantage that they'll click on anything, and their memory for "what they want" and "what they don't want" is brutally efficient. She knows not to hit the "buy" buttons when the advertisements come up on the screen, and has memorized all of the cancel and "x" buttons and will hover above where they will appear while the advertisements play. She knows that there's an kaiden@idkfa.com (kaiden) Indiscernible from Magic Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:12:00 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4894 http://www.idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4885 For Josh, for his hypothetical future, "I raised my kids on the command line" http://lifehacker.com/5974087/i-raised-my-kids-on-the-command-lineand-they-love-it Though I would hesitate to say at age 5 he can use the past tense "raised", perhaps "I am raising my child to view the command line as the primary means of navigating computers." However, I am a bit surprised at their ability to spell and use all these commands, I suspect the author is glossing over the amount of help the require. Perhaps he is sitting behind them spelling out commands for them? It's a very high level of literacy, not impossible in a 5 year-old, very impobable in a 4 or 5 year old though. This why toddlers and preschoolers do so well with GUIs like the OS on most tablets and smartphones (as mentioned in a previous post) because it is image rather than text based. In my experience an average-bright child at around age 6, mid-first grade, will move past "reading" for the point of skill development to the point where they have that skill firmly established enough that they can read for learning and other purposes. A very-bright child will get there sooner. But there is a definite point in which the child passes the "reading is the challenge" to "reading is the tool I use to get to the next challenge" level. lizinthelibrary@idkfa.com (lizinthelibrary) Indiscernible from Magic Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:36:56 -0900 http://idkfa.com/v3/v_thread.php?thread_id=4885&msg_id=4885